Thoughts on that Subaru Toyota Thing

I`m Batman · Postby **I`m Batman** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

It's the new AE86...? Is that why they call it GT86?

Postby **RX-7 Chris** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

I`m Batman wrote:It's the new AE86...? Is that why they call it GT86?

Yes it is.

dsm_luck · Postby **dsm_luck** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

erod550 wrote:I'm sure they will. There's supposed to be a turbo version. Just waiting to see if it's WRX power levels or STi+ power levels.

The 2011-2012 WRX make about 5 to 10whp less than than the STi and about the same wtq. The VF52 on the new WRX is a bigger better turbo than the old td04. Maxes out in the 360whp/400wtq range @ 22psi. Would love to see a 2.5 turbo in the BRZ. Because of its weight the car would be an absolute rocket.

speedjunkie · Postby **speedjunkie** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

I think as long as it handles well that 200hp would be enough for some people. Miatas get the job done with less power, less weight and great handling, why can't this? But some will still want quite a bit more power. I believe they are going for this to be a sports car. I'm just happy there are more new RWD options out there again.

erod550 · Postby **erod550** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

speedjunkie wrote:I think as long as it handles well that 200hp would be enough for some people.

Tell that to the RX8, RIP. Also, I know Miata owners like to classify them as sports cars, but they aren't really. Fun to drive? Absolutely, but sports cars to me means more than just good handling. Although I guess the newer Miatas do pack a bit more of a punch than the early gutless models like mine.

RichB · Postby **RichB** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

To me the styling doesn't look like it should max out at 200HP. It reminds me of a Genesis Coupe which is a car with 300+ HP

GR-8 · Postby **GR-8** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

I like it. I thought that Toyota was gonna be selling it only. Globally as a Toyota and here on this side of the world as a Scion. Didn't know Subaru was Selling it to.

RichB · Postby **RichB** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

It would make more sense if we only saw the Toyota / Scion version here. I don't think this would fit in Subaru's North American line up.

Whizbang · Postby **Whizbang** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:14

as far as a sports car go, its not about power. That muscle car and "super" car sales gimmicks. Light weight, decent power and excellent handling at a low price is what made many of the sports of old sell so well. Its rumored that these will start about 25,000. That just about 5,000 to high I would say. At that point, with options, you start touching the realm of other cars that out class it.

And the RX-8s failure is that it wasnt really anything. It wasnt quite a sports car, it wasnt quite a sedan, didnt have high power, which isnt an issue, but that was rewarded with crap fuel economy and a less than admirable record of reliability. All at a cost that was too high for what was offered.

Silkwyrm · Postby **Silkwyrm** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:14

Figured I'd chime in here. I used to own an AE86. It only had 112HP. The curb weight on those in its heaviest form was 2400lbs. I was beating Domestic muscle with ease in that thing with only 112HP. I remember upsetting a couple guys with the then popular Monte Carlo SS. But thats not where the car really shined. A curvy road was a treat to drive in that thing, and I wish I still had it to autocross in. So this new version weighs just a bit more with 200hp. I think it will be awesome. Also I have about 200HP in my KLZE Mazda MX-3 with a weight of 2580lbs and it is plenty fast for me. (If I could only get to be more reliable.) Never raced my MX-3 but others with the same basic setup would regularly beat 5.0 liter Mustangs in drags, but again in the curves my Mazda really shines. So yeah 200HP will be fine for a base model and I guarantee the aftermarket for these things will be huge so if you want more power pick your flavor of forced induction and you will have a really mean machine, and it looks awesome. My only complaint would be the price tag, a little pricy.

Justin · Postby **Justin** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:14

I think I'd be pretty happy with 200hp in that car. I figure my 2002 WRX is putting out about the same with 100k on it and that's a pretty fun car. The improved throttle response and low-end torque would make that thing plenty fun on the street given the low curb weight. That said, I would lust after a 300hp one....

Learjet45 · Postby **Learjet45** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:14

I bet it won't be long before someone figures out how to swap an EJ257 into one, assuming it fits. I really want to drive one.

SecondGenPAt · Postby **SecondGenPAt** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:14

Whizbang and Silkwyrm hit the nail on the head. This is going to be a driver's car, not a speed freaks car. A true sports car in the sense: front engine rear wheel drive; nimble, responsive, easy to modify (relative), decent economy, and looks decent. This is not a car that will make up for lack of driving skill, but will reward smoothness and talent. As the saying goes: anyone can drive a fast car fast, but it takes skill to drive a slow car fast. The 2 main problems I see are: the price is just a little high and the flat 4.
The base model needs to come in around 18k so that this car can be put into the hands that want it the most.
The flat 4... I understand it from a dynamics and weight balance point, but not from a tuning point. This is going to be obscenely expensive to modify (relative to an inline engine) and I don't think the reliability is there for the general buyer. (unless they've got the oil burning from hard cornering under control) it will be interesting to see how these engines handle autox and track day abuse.
This car really needed an aluminum inline 4 available as an option, but my opinion.

After that, I can say I'm excited for this car, Don't think I'll ever own one, as RX7's have that place for me, but this will be a great car.

speedjunkie · Postby **speedjunkie** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:14

^Fully agree.

mOOsE · Postby **mOOsE** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:14

pretty sweet... except for the flat 4. Out of all the options, I am confused as to why they chose that. Guess we shall see how it goes though.

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