What grinds your gears?

[Renesis Rx]

I dont think it is accurate to say the military or thier families will not get paid, AFAIK (and I have been paying attention to the actual goings on, not the press) the military, post office, etc all still get paid, but the non-essential elements- parks and rec, government "help" desks, etc, are all going to be furloughed.
What grinds my gears is all the mis-information put out by the media in this country. How ****ing hard is it to tell the truth? The government "shutdown" will likely be the best thing since sliced bread. Kinda like when the bus drivers in Denver went on strike- I drove downtown when that was going on and traffic was a breeze without those damned busses everywhere, and people still go to work on time and everything was fine. Heck, would have been a nice budget cut to do away with them.

Actually you're wrong. Yes the Post office workers will get paid. They are a government agency but run and funded privately. The military is another issue. If the shut down happens (which it will) then their pay is up in the air. Their next check will most likely only be half because the shutdown will happen during the second half of the check. That's if the shutdown is only for a week or less. If it goes on longer then they may not get a check at all until the shutdown ends. I work on a military installation and it's a big issue. They will all still have to come to work regardless of if they are getting paid. Saying a government shutdown where about 80,000 civilain employees and hundreds of thousands of current military and retired military won't get paid is the "greatest thing since sliced bread" is ignorant. Sorry if that offends you but I disagree.

[bellalyssa]

As a Federal Employee and a college student, this is NOT the best thing since sliced bread. Thank God I have a second job or else I would be royally screwed.

There is no guarantee of backpay for federal employees who are told not to come to work because of a lack of budget. That directive has to be given by Congress and from everything I've heard, both internally and externally, chances are that that won't happen.

I'm sick of the Bi-partisanism and it messing with my life. Congress will still be paid, so will the presidency and to a lot of the politicians, that's all that matters. Screw the little guy.

[kingtut]

Perhaps a new thread? I'm interested in info that others can provide.

Renesis- I was unaware that the shutdown would effect the military; I had heard otherwise. If this is the case, then I stand corrected.

I will say, regardless of my feelings for Mr. Obama-- that the president needs to get this locked down and avoid the shutdown. Especially since this was one of his main campaign promises.

[bellalyssa]

I will say, regardless of my feelings for Mr. Obama-- that the president needs to get this locked down and avoid the shutdown. Especially since this was one of his main campaign promises.

The president can do little except sign the budget. He rejected one last night because it cut funding for women's health services. Campaign promises to little when the members of the Legislature can't get their shit together or learn how to compromise.

The military will have to work without pay or guarantee of pay.

[D Walker]

Actually you're wrong. Yes the Post office workers will get paid. They are a government agency but run and funded privately. The military is another issue. If the shut down happens (which it will) then their pay is up in the air. Their next check will most likely only be half because the shutdown will happen during the second half of the check. That's if the shutdown is only for a week or less. If it goes on longer then they may not get a check at all until the shutdown ends. I work on a military installation and it's a big issue. They will all still have to come to work regardless of if they are getting paid. Saying a government shutdown where about 80,000 civilain employees and hundreds of thousands of current military and retired military won't get paid is the "greatest thing since sliced bread" is ignorant. Sorry if that offends you but I disagree.

You are not offending me. However, the idea that the military is not going to be paid but the post office will just does not sound right. The last I looked (yesterday) the current status for the shutdown pays the military, all essential federal govt employees TSA, postal workers, etc. at thier current pay until the new budget comes online. The shutdown will effect many non-essential govt employees.

Honestly, and i hope I do not offend, but its OK if I do, the shutdown needs to happen. We have the MOST WASTEFUL federal government on the planet, which is the least effective as well. The size of the government needs to be reduced and it needs to start happening NOW, not in ten years.

[speedjunkie]

Don this may be good for you, but like Renesis said, you are incorrect about this. The civilians in our Squadron are going home after today, and won't be back until they are getting paid again. I've been told constantly "don't worry, you'll get paid" so I haven't worried too much about it so far. Now they're saying "hey, chances are you WON'T get paid, and if you do it will only be half a paycheck, but you still have to come to work". I'm pretty sure that's a breach of contract so I'm not sure how they can expect us to still come to work. I guess it's OK as long as THEY are not holding up their end of the contract, but if I go AWOL I'm screwed. Yeah, I don't think so. A contract doesn't work that way. I will still come to work because I care about my Squadron, my Commander is awesome, and most of the people I work with are awesome, they are like my family. However, the gov't can kiss my *** if they think I or anyone else in the military is cool with this.

ecam, it's funny you say that because that's something I've been saying since this started. Generally not a good idea to not pay hundreds of thousands of people that are trained to use a wide range of weapons. If militaries the world over can't stand up to Abrams tanks, I doubt Congress can LOL.

Yes Nate, we do seem to agree on a lot LOL. I haven't changed my political views and who I blame for all this, but at a time like this when the gov't is shutting down, I think it's about time to put aside the bickering and get down to business and fix this problem. I read somewhere about Harry Reid wanting abortion funding covered by the budget. Not sure how true that is, but if it is, REALLY Harry? Do you really think that's something that should be covered when we're in a crisis like this? Even if I was pro-choice I would think that is something that can be pushed aside in a time like this, for things that ARE actually essential. I don't feel the gov't and the citizens should be funding anything like church mission trips haha, and I don't feel they/we should be funding things like abortion either, not in a time like this especially. Honestly, I personally think the main problem with our gov't is them being able to vote for pay raises for themselves, and then getting a pension that isn't any different than their regular pay for the rest of their lives. Wow, I didn't realize what they were doing was so important. Gimme a break.

[D Walker]

The president can do little except sign the budget. He rejected one last night because it cut funding for women's health services. Campaign promises to little when the members of the Legislature can't get their shit together or learn how to compromise.

The military will have to work without pay or guarantee of pay.

Your right, there does need to be compromise, and the President needs to start making them, starting with STOP SPENDING. How hard is it for them to understand that the country itself is simply not capable of the spending plans they want?

This is actually something that absolutely grinds my gears- The number of federally backed programs that are raped daily by those who simply cannot and will not do for themselves beyond demanding thier handout. This needs to stop, and stop NOW, not later, but now. Don't work, dont eat. No jobs? BLAME THE GOVERNEMENT for making it so hard for businesses of any size to actually do business! I would hire a couple more people myself and make a crapload mor emoney IF I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE PRIVILEDGE.
I am sick of paying taxes to "help" those in need. I am in need. M family is in need. Its time to put a stop to this crap. Do YOU want to pay more taxes? Do you feel a feeling of elation when you get your tax return at the end of the year? Do you not realize that that is money the government has used without paying you a dimes interest on it for a year while you could have used that moeny in possibly a more beneficial way over the course of the year? Do you really WANT to give the governement an even greater percentage of YOUR EARNINGS so that they can then give it to someone who does not work at all?

That all grinds the crap outta my gears.

/end rant

[speedjunkie]

^I TOTALLY agree with that though lol. /EDIT

I guess the fact that we're being told by our superiors that we might not be getting paid is totally BS huh Don? LOL Wherever you're getting your info needs to do a little more fact checking lol. For the record, if you didn't already know, Renesis is a vet and still works on Ft Carson, so I think he has some inside info lol.

I do totally agree with you that gov't spending is WAY out of hand and needs to be fixed immediately, but a total gov't shutdown is a horrible idea. I believe they can do this without shutting down the gov't. And while I normally don't care what the rest of the world thinks of the U.S., a total gov't shutdown and things like a revolution, if that were to ever happen, I think would make us look a little iffy. Especially when we owe so much to China lol. That can't be a good thing. But at least this shows the world that we will do what we have to in order to save our republic...I hope it does at least.

[Renesis Rx]

You are not offending me. However, the idea that the military is not going to be paid but the post office will just does not sound right. The last I looked (yesterday) the current status for the shutdown pays the military, all essential federal govt employees TSA, postal workers, etc. at thier current pay until the new budget comes online. The shutdown will effect many non-essential govt employees.

Honestly, and i hope I do not offend, but its OK if I do, the shutdown needs to happen. We have the MOST WASTEFUL federal government on the planet, which is the least effective as well. The size of the government needs to be reduced and it needs to start happening NOW, not in ten years.

Nope no provisions for the military or any other organization except for the politicains in D.C. to continue getting paid. Their's is unaffected by a shutdown. They are telling the essential personel that they have to come to work though. A shutdown isn't going to stop a wastefull Gov, just postpone it and become more wastefull in itself. Change will stop it. A shutdown and start up of the Gov is actually going to COST money and save none. Example: Gov shutdown of 1995. Unless like Lyssa said they forgo the back pay of those works. I just don't see how you can say so many people not getting paid and potentially screwed is a good thing because a few people don't want to agree. It's not that they can't, they just choose not to. I'm assuming you do not work for a Gov organization, but I think I speak for all members of this club that do when I say a shutdown is a very bad thing.

[dommo_g]

Your right, there does need to be compromise, and the President needs to start making them, starting with STOP SPENDING. How hard is it for them to understand that the country itself is simply not capable of the spending plans they want?

This is actually something that absolutely grinds my gears- The number of federally backed programs that are raped daily by those who simply cannot and will not do for themselves beyond demanding thier handout. This needs to stop, and stop NOW, not later, but now. Don't work, dont eat. No jobs? BLAME THE GOVERNEMENT for making it so hard for businesses of any size to actually do business! I would hire a couple more people myself and make a crapload mor emoney IF I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE PRIVILEDGE.
I am sick of paying taxes to "help" those in need. I am in need. M family is in need. Its time to put a stop to this crap. Do YOU want to pay more taxes? Do you feel a feeling of elation when you get your tax return at the end of the year? Do you not realize that that is money the government has used without paying you a dimes interest on it for a year while you could have used that moeny in possibly a more beneficial way over the course of the year? Do you really WANT to give the governement an even greater percentage of YOUR EARNINGS so that they can then give it to someone who does not work at all?

That all grinds the crap outta my gears.

/end rant

Haha amen brother!

[erod550]

The big factor in all of this is continued government funding for Planned Parenthood. The left says the right wants to cut women's health services, the right says the left wants the government to pay for abortions. They both word it in a way that they will get more support for their side.

The problem is, we all have things funded by our tax dollars that we don't agree with. Unfortunately, there's no possible way for everybody to agree on what should be funded and what shouldn't be. We all have different views on how the government should be run, but the main thing is that people have to compromise. Right now both sides are not budging or willing to give up anything. They need to quit being stubborn and do their damn jobs and get this thing hashed out. If they can't work together with people of differing views they should never have been elected in the first place, since that's the entire point of having government officials.

[Learjet45]

I find it ridiculous that a bunch of grown men and women can't work out issues over Planned Parenthood. I still think that the entire abortion issue should just be dropped. If a woman doesn't want a kid, then it should be her decision to abort it or not. As soon as men can get pregnant and deal with carrying a child inside them for 9 months, then it will be appropriate for them to have a say in abortions. Otherwise, if a woman believes in abortions, then she should be able to get one, and if not, then she doesn't have to. I know that's my opinion, and I'm not trying to sound rude or force it upon others, but how hard is it for a bunch of grown men and women to realize that?

Anyways, what grinds my gear? The douche bag at my school who drives a black VW Golf (just a regular golf) and thinks he has the greatest car known to man and that he is better than EVERYONE. ****ing douche.

[erod550]

<< hopes this thread doesn't turn into a debate on abortion.

[kingtut]

<< hopes this thread doesn't turn into a debate on abortion.

What? Why are you looking at me Erod:lol:

Moving on...

[erod550]

It's that sexy hair of yours. I can't look away.