Dyno sheets (56k = go away)

MS3_Mafia · Postby **MS3_Mafia** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rich @ Mar 10 2008, 12:45 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=31208]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>

I've got an appt. for 10:30 AM on Thursday.[/b]

Sweet man, look forward to the results!

SpeedRacer · Postby **SpeedRacer** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:14

I'd guess he'll go up 40whp...

Rich post exactly what they tune on your car. Timing / Boost / Air fuel.... On mine all we tuned was A/F and got a freakin incredible gain from it..

Rich · Postby **Rich** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:14

Josh, I'm doing a baseline at RP on Thursday, sticking with the base Standback map. I'll be providing a copy of the software to Servion that day so that he can go over it and be familiar with it's capabilities prior to jumping on a dyno for $150/hour

SpeedRacer · Postby **SpeedRacer** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

Not bad man I'd suggest on the First dyno run have the Standback out or off if possible then forall the other runs dyno it with stock map so for those weather conditions you have a base.. Even with the stock map dude you'll be pushing easily an extra 10-20whp.

Rich · Postby **Rich** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

That would require uninstalling the PnP harness completely, as the car will not run with the PnP installed and not hooked up to the Standback.

SpeedRacer · Postby **SpeedRacer** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

There's no bypass or anything? Guess I loved that feature on the hardwired setup I had anytime I didn't wanna run it I could just pull the bypass.

Rich · Postby **Rich** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

I think there is a bypass, but it requires something extra they don't send with the PnP.

SpeedRacer · Postby **SpeedRacer** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

Ahh gotcha trust me I think you might want to invest in that if possible.

Huzer21 · Postby **Huzer21** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (arctic_blue83 @ Mar 9 2008, 09:40 PM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=31106]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>

On this dyno. On another dyno, like MAC's highly overinflated Dynojet (which uses a full/NA correction factor on all cars), Speed6's only lose about 40-50hp through drivetrain loss. Other dynos, like the the Dyno Dynamics over at Super-Rupair have put down numbers in between both of them.

Stock STI on MAC's dyno= 260-280whp.
Stock STI on RP's dyno= 205-225whp.
Stock STI on Super-Rupair's dyno= 210-245whp.[/b]

Why the diff between the DD at RP and Super-Rupair?

lazarus · Postby **lazarus** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

There is no difference, we have the same dyno. Dynos are a tool to measure with. I'm sure my partner no coast punk will be happy to explain why it is different to tune on a dyno dynamics vs. a dynojet some time

Huzer21 · Postby **Huzer21** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lazarus @ Mar 10 2008, 11:57 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=31304]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>

There is no difference, we have the same dyno. Dynos are a tool to measure with. I'm sure my partner no coast punk will be happy to explain why it is different to tune on a dyno dynamics vs. a dynojet some time [/b]

Oh, I knew that...I was just wondering if Brandon knew that the dynos at the 2 shops were the same.

arctic_blue83 · Postby **arctic_blue83** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Huzer21 @ Mar 10 2008, 07:17 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=31241]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>

Why the diff between the DD at RP and Super-Rupair?[/b]

No idea. I know they're both DD's, maybe calibration, maybe difference in elevation (Boulder vs Springs), honestly I have no idea. All I know is that I've seen Harvey over at Super-Rupair post that on their DD, stock STI's have put down as high as 245whp. No idea why.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Huzer21 @ Mar 10 2008, 11:01 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=31306]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>

Oh, I knew that...I was just wondering if Brandon knew that the dynos at the 2 shops were the same. [/b]

Yeah, I knew they used the same dyno. I can find a link if you would like, of Harvey posting seeing as high as 245whp on a stock STI on his dyno. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think the guys at RP have seen stock STI's putting down as much power on their dyno?!?

EDIT: Here's a link- http://www.awdpirates.net/forums/viewtopic...=39&t=11507

^^^Post number 6 by Harvey at Super-Rupair, aka TheBoostCreep:

"........I have seen stock STis put down anywhere from 210-245 hp and it is hard get customers to keep that in mind when seeing gains......."

No-Coast-Punk · Postby **No-Coast-Punk** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14

Harvey's numbers are usually within a few % of ours high or low. There are so many variables that come into play when talking dyno's. Gas, tires, engine wear, oil type, wheel weight, etc. can all change numbers.

I don't doubt that he has seen 245 on a stock STi. There are a few factory freaks running around... and many other factors that can come into play. For all Harvey knows that 245 car could have been flashed by a previous owner without him knowing. Or the car could have been filled with some freak gas (the 91 number you see printed on the pump is an average).

Don't forget manufacturing tolerances. As a good example. BMW makes a very rare series of their M cars with a special CSL badge. As part of that CSL package you get an engine that is GUARANTEED and TESTED to make within 5% of the rated factory power. You pay an enormous premium for that CSL engine. On your typical M motor that can be anywhere from 15->25 hp more or less than the rated output. I have yet to see any concrete numbers on how far typical factory engines deviate from their rated power... but I would be willing to be a hell of a lot more than 5% considering the lengths that BMW goes through to hit that 5% window.

Bottom line is that the numbers that come off a dyno are just numbers. The numbers don't really mean much.

We consider our dyno to be a VERY expensive torque wrench. It is a fantastic tool for rooting out positive or negative changes on a car. Anything beyond that... and people read too much into numbers.

Our dyno could read 200hp too high or low for all I care. As long as it measures differences in power as accurately as it currently does... it would be just as useful for 90% of what we use it for. FWIW I can accurately gauge the power gains/losses by tweaking the carb on a pocketbike making less than 2hp. I really do trust the numbers that come off that thing down to about the .1 or .2 hp range.

arctic_blue83 · Postby **arctic_blue83** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (No-Coast-Punk @ Mar 10 2008, 01:28 PM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=31358]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>

Harvey's numbers are usually within a few % of ours high or low. There are so many variables that come into play when talking dyno's. Gas, tires, engine wear, oil type, wheel weight, etc. can all change numbers.

I don't doubt that he has seen 245 on a stock STi. There are a few factory freaks running around... and many other factors that can come into play. For all Harvey knows that 245 car could have been flashed by a previous owner without him knowing. Or the car could have been filled with some freak gas (the 91 number you see printed on the pump is an average).

Don't forget manufacturing tolerances. As a good example. BMW makes a very rare series of their M cars with a special CSL badge. As part of that CSL package you get an engine that is GUARANTEED and TESTED to make within 5% of the rated factory power. You pay an enormous premium for that CSL engine. On your typical M motor that can be anywhere from 15->25 hp more or less than the rated output. I have yet to see any concrete numbers on how far typical factory engines deviate from their rated power... but I would be willing to be a hell of a lot more than 5% considering the lengths that BMW goes through to hit that 5% window.

Bottom line is that the numbers that come off a dyno are just numbers. The numbers don't really mean much.

We consider our dyno to be a VERY expensive torque wrench. It is a fantastic tool for rooting out positive or negative changes on a car. Anything beyond that... and people read too much into numbers.

Our dyno could read 200hp too high or low for all I care. As long as it measures differences in power as accurately as it currently does... it would be just as useful for 90% of what we use it for. FWIW I can accurately gauge the power gains/losses by tweaking the carb on a pocketbike making less than 2hp. I really do trust the numbers that come off that thing down to about the .1 or .2 hp range.[/b]

That's the exact point I was trying to make. People shouldn't put so much stock into a base number, and should just focus on the gains seen. I was trying to make the point, that the same car, on 2 different dynos can have 2 different results. Who cares? Dynoing on dyno with higher numbers doesn't make a car any faster. Focus on gains, and comparisons between cars on the same dyno, not pissing contests. Just my $.02

Robert_K · Postby **Robert_K** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:14

This is why I insist that people use a dyno as a tuning tool rather than bragging rights. It doesn't matter if its a DynaPack, DynoJet, or whatever. Just continue to use the same dyno.

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