Installed: CP-e Standback II EMS

chickenwafer · Postby **chickenwafer** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:14

Yeah, a true standalone would be better than a flash, I'm not going to argue that lol.

I just want people to see the alternatives and not get caught up in gimmicks, that's all.

Eclipse · Postby **Eclipse** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

are you seriously saying that it is pointless to run different timing adjustments, fuel trims, and map/maf values etc.. pushing 12lbs of boost at wot as it is to push 20lbs of boost at wot??

LaginWagon · Postby **LaginWagon** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

OCD wrote:are you seriously saying that it is pointless to run different timing adjustments, fuel trims, and map/maf values etc.. pushing 12lbs of boost at wot as it is to push 20lbs of boost at wot??

Pulling/advancing timing is sooo old school. Throw a MBC on that bad boy, crack it all the way open, and ride around @ WOT all the time. That'll fix everything :lol:

Sheeesh Eric, I thought you knew a little bit about this car ;p

Originalguy · Postby **Originalguy** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

My plan is to use one map as the boost and hardcore map then the other would be running stock settings in case i have to let someone else drive it like my dad or a mechanic. Thats my only pro on having two maps

tbot · Postby **tbot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

^^precisely, which again can be done w/ an EBC. But that imho all depends on ur mod list, the more mods requires things like that.

Eclipse · Postby **Eclipse** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

you can't tune a car with an ebc

tbot · Postby **tbot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

not saying a tune, but different boost settings, granted i do agree that that big a difference in boost should require different tunes. But aren't u the one that said the stock ecu did a fantastic job of managing the higher boost, even from the gt28. That in itself creates questions on its own about a tune.

Originalguy · Postby **Originalguy** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

well the switch from stock to a higher boost map isnt just to get higher boost its to acces the more advanced timing and different afr's in a tune. if you just want to run higher boost then the ebc is the best thing for you but if you want a full tune and have the ability to decide when to use it the cpe switch is perfect.

tbot · Postby **tbot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

^^um we aren't saying anything different...

Eclipse · Postby **Eclipse** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

tbot wrote: But aren't u the one that said the stock ecu did a fantastic job of managing the higher boost, even from the gt28. That in itself creates questions on its own about a tune.

I did say that, and it seems my car may be one of the rare freak models that respond well to my mods. There are countless threads on other boards with members that have serious tuning issues due to mods, and have to deal with a professional tune regardless.

To get the most out of your mods, you will definitely want a good tune, regardless how well the stock ecu responds.. Nick did say my car was safe as hell to run WOT all day long, but he also said he could get 20 more WHP out of her for sure...

tbot · Postby **tbot** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

but is another 20 WHP worth forgoing SAFE?

Basically I'm hoping my car (ECU) ends up like yours

chickenwafer · Postby **chickenwafer** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

OCD wrote:are you seriously saying that it is pointless to run different timing adjustments, fuel trims, and map/maf values etc.. pushing 12lbs of boost at wot as it is to push 20lbs of boost at wot??

No, that is not what I am saying at all.
This is why I have given up get my point across....

Eclipse · Postby **Eclipse** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

your point is obvious. you love Cobb, we get it...

In a more real life world, however, my wife drives my car.. just as many other members have stated, when a stock (or less than stock in my case) tune serves great for others driving their car, its definitely valuable. FAR FROM POINTLESS, like you stated, and definitely not a gimmick. There is no way in hell Im going to pull as much timing on my 12psi map as I am on my 20psi map with meth injection.. Do you think most wives would feel comfortable changing maps on their husbands car with the AP? even further, you think Im gonna let her do that on her own while shes at work? NOT A CHANCE... a switch defaulted on a detune is a great idea, I dont understand why you cant grasp that concept.. even in your own words...

"That is the one of the AP's downsides, the ability for live tuning..."

let this be the end of the switch argument, as it is beaten with a stick

chickenwafer · Postby **chickenwafer** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

LOL you are the one still dragging this out.

I do like the Cobb, is it the best EMS out there end of the world? No. Is the CPE? Far from it. That has NOTHING to do with what I am talking about.

Yes, I said the lack of live tuning is a small downfall to the Cobb, LOL. I'm not in here trumping "My EMS is the best" and bashing my chest like some people. It has faults, just like everything else.

If you wife can't handle flashing a map she shouldn't drive your car IMO. This is why my gf never drives my car

, among other reasons and a 400ft-lbs clutch pressure plate.

I run ONE SINGLE TUNE for 6psi all the way to 17psi and I know my map is good well beyond what my turbo can even push on it's efficiency island. YOU TUNE FOR FUCKING LOAD. That's it. Why you guy don't get it I don't care anymore LOL, go make more tunes than you need (and pay more for it) so you can have your cool switch. Meanwhile I am accomplishing everything I need with ONE map, and yes that includes running different boost pressures. OPEN LOOP OPEN LOOP OPEN LOOP O TO THE FREAKING L!!!

LOL I can't explain it anymore

If I want to "detune" my car I just adjust the EBC. Or exercise restraint with my right foot, the gas pedal isn't an on/off switch.

Like I said before, I have given up trying to explain this anymore.

roninsoldier83 · Postby **roninsoldier83** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:14

chickenwafer wrote:A standalone EBC will almost always control boost better than any sort of of standback system, most are going to be limited by factory boost control, same with flash devices. This is why even 500-awhp STi's running flash tunes still use an aftermarket EBC.

Actually, most high power STI's either use an EBC or 3-port BCS primarily because the factory 2-port BCS in many cases cannot keep enough pressure away from the WGA for it to not open/bleed off boost. The 2-port design found in Subaru's works well, and helps boost come on smoothly, but it less than idea. With my stock BCS, and stock "pill" in the line, I was only able to hit about 15psi at 100% WGDC... we swapped over to a smaller "pill" in order to assist the BCS in keeping pressure away from the WGA, which resulted in being able to hit about 18.5psi at 100% WGDC. Eventually, I swapped over to a 3-port (WGA has it's own line/interrupt system), and without even maxing my WGDC's we were able to hit 20psi

That's the real reason STI's use EBC's/3-port BCS devices. Actually though, I would point out that the fastest stock turbo STI's in the country almost all bypass the factory BCS, and use a simple Hallman MBC

Nothing is more reliable or consistent IMO. Most tuners worth their salt will tell you the same thing... the only downside is you may lose out on some added "safety" features your ECU may have programmed in to save your motor, but usually a motor will cut fuel prior to cutting boost, so even those are debatable.

Just figured I would add my $.02

Installed: CP-e Standback II EMS

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