What grinds your gears?

speedjunkie · Postby **speedjunkie** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:14

Now that I'd be OK with, if it stays that way. I have no problem paying for things like that, to keep people healthy, but to pay for abortions I'm not OK with.

speedjunkie · Postby **speedjunkie** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:14

erod550 wrote:LOL, yes I do like to disagree. I wouldn't have a problem with Trump if it wasn't for all this crap he's bringing up again about Obama's place of birth. Hasn't that horse been beaten to death already? lol.

Well, he still hasn't provided an ACTUAL birth certificate, so until he does, I don't think the issue is going anywhere. And something tells me he never will provide one lol.

D Walker · Postby **D Walker** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:14

erod550 wrote:Wait, did you just say we shouldn't have a parks department? And if the reason was really because we don't have the money to pay for it, Republicans would be harping on more than just Planned Parenthood. Yet they're fine making huge tax cuts to rich people and large corporations which will reduce the amount of income the government gets. How can we do that if we already don't have enough money like you said?

I can get behind the idea of no Parks dept, no dept of welfare, no dept of labor, the FAA, the FCC, in fact about the only dept's I feel like are useful is the dept of agriculture and that might be a stretch.

Tax cuts for the rich eh? Well it might surprise you to know you likely qualify as one of those "rich", so who ya gonna hate now? Besides, I dont see the "average joe" providing jobs, business, or industry, soooo how exactly does taxing the "rich" more help?HMMMMM?? And the jobs are already going overseas. Some idiot liberal asshat decides Billy Gates has a monopoly and should be "punished", has a Congressional hearing and POOOF! Microsoft is in India. **** that hurt didnt it? How many more jobs you wanna see go overseas? How many more major US based companies do you want to see sold off because it sucks to do business in the US? Because thats what is going to happen- the more laws and regulations and BS that is placed on businesses of all sizes the LESS chance there will be fore the average joe to make a living of any kind.

Just because I love this particular arguement, how about you look at it this way- you give X corporation $10million in tax breaks. Because of this X corporation hires 150 people who all pay thier taxes, which is matched (by law) by X corp. Those people, who are now gainfully employeed, spend thier money in retail establishments, providing jobs for sales people, manufacturers, etc, who ALSO pay taxes. the $10mil tax break just resulted in 20mil (or more) of tax revenue. Pretty cool huh? BUT WAIT- Theres more!
Because most of us spend money in retail establishments purchasing goods and services that are taxed, SALES TAX REVENUE is also increased.

Now, lets say that you do not give X corp a break, and in fact you raise taxes on them. Hmmmm what to do what to do.... AHH HAA! X Corp moves its facitlities to India, where the government there gives them the tax breaks they wanted, the work force is less expensive, and profit margins are higher. Wow, should have doen this a long time ago, WHAT WERE WE THINKING?

Clear enough yet? Business= good, Govnt= Bad mmmmkay?

bellalyssa · Postby **bellalyssa** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:14

Reaganomics didn't work then and it isn't working now. Your trickle down theory is bullshit and hasn't been proven to provide the benefits people suggest. CEOs pocket money unless there is a need to increase the work force. Companies are outsourcing becauce of greed and profit margins. The problem isn't in the policy, it's in the greedy people that run businesses.

For your information, my parents get raped up the *** in taxes every year. Upper middle class and my dad owns his own business. Last year ALONE they paid the equivalent of my mother's salary in taxes. Being high up in the Gov't, that should tell you something. Luckily, they are responsible with their money and make it work. My dad cuts his own salary in order to ensure his employees get paid what they should, while he makes 50-75% less than they do. He provides health insurance and bonuses to them, while he takes little. That is what CEOs need to be doing, caring about the people who work for them instead of looking for more ways to line their own damn pockets.

D Walker wrote:Tax cuts for the rich eh? Well it might surprise you to know you likely qualify as one of those "rich", so who ya gonna hate now? Besides, I dont see the "average joe" providing jobs, business, or industry, soooo how exactly does taxing the "rich" more help?HMMMMM?? And the jobs are already going overseas. Some idiot liberal asshat decides Billy Gates has a monopoly and should be "punished", has a Congressional hearing and POOOF! Microsoft is in India. **** that hurt didnt it? How many more jobs you wanna see go overseas? How many more major US based companies do you want to see sold off because it sucks to do business in the US? Because thats what is going to happen- the more laws and regulations and BS that is placed on businesses of all sizes the LESS chance there will be fore the average joe to make a living of any kind.

Just because I love this particular arguement, how about you look at it this way- you give X corporation $10million in tax breaks. Because of this X corporation hires 150 people who all pay thier taxes, which is matched (by law) by X corp. Those people, who are now gainfully employeed, spend thier money in retail establishments, providing jobs for sales people, manufacturers, etc, who ALSO pay taxes. the $10mil tax break just resulted in 20mil (or more) of tax revenue. Pretty cool huh? BUT WAIT- Theres more!
Because most of us spend money in retail establishments purchasing goods and services that are taxed, SALES TAX REVENUE is also increased.

Now, lets say that you do not give X corp a break, and in fact you raise taxes on them. Hmmmm what to do what to do.... AHH HAA! X Corp moves its facitlities to India, where the government there gives them the tax breaks they wanted, the work force is less expensive, and profit margins are higher. Wow, should have doen this a long time ago, WHAT WERE WE THINKING?

Clear enough yet? Business= good, Govnt= Bad mmmmkay?

D Walker · Postby **D Walker** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:14

bellalyssa wrote:^^ That's what makes it more ridiculous!

No what makes it ridiculous is that the taxpayers are EXPECTED to pay for it!!! Seriously???? WHYYYYYY? Please explain to me, using simple and plain English, WHY planned parenthood is even a Federal responsibility? Sure, if there is a SURPLUS of funding, Ok lets fund some feel good programs. BUT we do not have a surplus, we have a debt. We DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY!!! How hard is this for the general public to understand?? NOTHING is free. Ever. Someone is going to pay for it, and unfortunately there simply are not enough people out there to pay for those who dont want to.

Yes yes I know- I am heartless for suggesting that a woman be denied a pelvic exam or some other medical aid that she cannot pay for, but HEY PEOPLE- we, the human race, have lived for quite some time WITHOUT those things, and we did OK. Yes, it does suck someone might die because they cannot get some treatment that *might* save thier lives, but in the end we all die, and it is not the general populations job to see to it that we all live to a ripe old age. You can put any polish on it you want, but the cold hard facts will not change. Why exactly is it MY JOB to pay for someone else to have a very expensive surgery so that they may or may not be able to have children? What happened to accepting our lot in life and doing the best we could with what we HAVE??? Just because we have the technology to do something does not mean that everyone has a RIGHT to it. There are no guarantees in life- we as a society need to learn to do the best we can with what we have and STOP going into debt to correct our crooked smile or have a house as nice as everyone else and so on. It is not a RIGHT! These things are things that are EARNED. Yes, even good health.

And since you got me started on this-

I have a friend who is an older gentleman. He has had heart surgery, stomach surgery, and several other procedures that saved him from certian death. Yet, to this day he eats horribly unhealthy, chooses not to exercise, and basically ignores all the things that someone who wants to live a long life should and would do. Instead he counts on modern medicine to keep his sorry *** alive, and its working. My biggest issue is a lot of this surgery was payed for through federally funded programs. Why? Why, if he does not give two shits about being healthy does he warrant the very expensive procedures to keep him alive? And this is my friend, known him for years, think he is basically a decent human being. But he should have died years ago, and its the fault of modern medicine for keeping him alive. Just because we can doesnt mean we should.

/pause rant

D Walker · Postby **D Walker** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:14

bellalyssa wrote:Reaganomics didn't work then and it isn't working now. Your trickle down theory is bullshit and hasn't been proven to provide the benefits people suggest. CEOs pocket money unless there is a need to increase the work force. Companies are outsourcing becauce of greed and profit margins. The problem isn't in the policy, it's in the greedy people that run businesses.

For your information, my parents get raped up the *** in taxes every year. Upper middle class and my dad owns his own business. Last year ALONE they paid the equivalent of my mother's salary in taxes. Being high up in the Gov't, that should tell you something. Luckily, they are responsible with their money and make it work. My dad cuts his own salary in order to ensure his employees get paid what they should, while he makes 50-75% less than they do. He provides health insurance and bonuses to them, while he takes little. That is what CEOs need to be doing, caring about the people who work for them instead of looking for more ways to line their own damn pockets.

And Reagonomics put us TRILLIONS of dollars in debt???? In the shortest timespan EVER??Nope- Obamanomics did- yay?
ANd you just proved the point- if the government would GTF outta the way business could prosper, instead we have a govnt that HATES business, and makes it hard for people to do business.

I was alive and kicking in the 80's, and Reagonomics DID work and it DID do exactly what it needed to do, the BS since has the US outsourcing to the US and INDIA. Think of this when those around you complain about being out of a job for however long. The jobs WERE here, and now they arent.

EDIT- Dammit I just realized I am 40 next Saturday-- pffft

dommo_g · Postby **dommo_g** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:14

Learjet45 wrote:I find it ridiculous that a bunch of grown men and women can't work out issues over Planned Parenthood. I still think that the entire abortion issue should just be dropped. If a woman doesn't want a kid, then it should be her decision to abort it or not. As soon as men can get pregnant and deal with carrying a child inside them for 9 months, then it will be appropriate for them to have a say in abortions. Otherwise, if a woman believes in abortions, then she should be able to get one, and if not, then she doesn't have to. I know that's my opinion, and I'm not trying to sound rude or force it upon others, but how hard is it for a bunch of grown men and women to realize that?

Anyways, what grinds my gear? The douche bag at my school who drives a black VW Golf (just a regular golf) and thinks he has the greatest car known to man and that he is better than EVERYONE. ****ing douche.

I understand you're just a kid and don't really know anything, but seriously? You think just because a woman is a woman, she has the right to commit murder? How about I believe in killing 17 year old kids, should that be my choice and my right?

alex_n/a · Postby **alex_n/a** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:14

Think of abortion this way. At what point is it ok for a mother to kill her child? What if a mom killed her 15 year old daughter just because she didn't want her anymore? Killing a baby is like killing a stranger with your eyes closed, you don't know who this person was or what they looked like and you expect to live your life just like you did before. Abortion should be illegal and the parents should put the child up for adoption. No life is better the next. I am no better than a homeless person and a president is no greater than me. Was it not this country that once said we are all equall? Or was that my delusional world I sometimes live in ( ponders ).

chickenwafer · Postby **chickenwafer** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:14

I agree, we should just make abortion illegal so it will stop happening, just like how laws against murder prevent killings and laws against speeding prevents speeders....

(just playing Devils Advocate)

bellalyssa · Postby **bellalyssa** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:14

I had to take a few days away from this thread to stop being so angry about certain responses. With that said, I'm not touching the abortion thing with a ten foot pole. It's an ideological debate where people will never agree.

As for funding... both sides are part of the problem. So are close minded citizens that only choose to look at one side of the issue. I am guilty of this at times, and I know this.

Many people refuse to realize that spending habits often take years to show their true effects. The government grew the most in 20 years under President Bush due to the creation of Homeland Security and massive expansions of other federal agencies since their workers were taken to work in HS. USDA lost 3600 and gained 4200 people in this switch up. This has happened all over the federal government.

President Clinton's era was the first time in years that both Republicans and Democrats agreed to cut the budget. This resulted in NO DEFICIT when Clinton left office. Massive deficit spending started again with the War on Terrorism under President Bush and has been continued due to the Bailout and other bills on spending. This is why we have the government we have with checks and balances. Generally, when one party controls both the executive and one side of the legislative branch, there is no check and balance. There are only bills passed without question.

Greed is the underlying problem with taxes and outsourcing. Human greed. Whether its the greed of politicians or big businessmen, greed is the problem. This cannot be fixed unless we place less emphasis on HOW much money we make versus WHAT we do with it and also teach better spending habits. When tax rates go down, the government cannot spend the same amount of money it has been in the past. This requires a downsizing in the government that hasn't happened in years, like I said before. The only thing to sustain the type of spending the government has in the past is increased tax rates, or government downsizing. Agencies performing the same type of jobs need to be combined and streamlined and spending needs to be done more wisely, which again addresses the lack of fiscal responsibility displayed by all politicians and many Americans.

Originalguy · Postby **Originalguy** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:14

you know when someone says "is this still hot?" you say well yeah dude i just tried to pick it up and i dropped it because its hot as **** don't touch it and they go "oh okay" yet they still reach out to touch it, proceed to burn themselves, and curse. like okay dumbass the burn on my hand and the fact that i dropped it and it made you jump and say is that still hot should tell you its ****ing hot then after i tell you its hot you just had to go ahead and get matching burns. fag.

speedjunkie · Postby **speedjunkie** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:14

^So did that happen? Does that grind your gears? Or is this somehow related to our off-topic rant on politics? LOL

I'm starting to realize that there really aren't that many things that grind my gears...or I just have a really bad memory. That's probably it.

alex_n/a · Postby **alex_n/a** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:14

i hate when people drive on the left side in parking lots. or the wrong way in 1 way parking lots.

i also hate when people cut me off only to drive slower than i was so i have to overtake them.

i hate when people ride my bumper

i hate when people try to teach you about "your" stuff. i got into a discussion on how my phone DOES NOT have a memory card slot yet this guy was sure that my phone did. i mean come on i've had this phone for over 1 year i think i would know....

i hate how people think their car is all superior to every other car in the world.

i hate 107.1 and 107.5 music (most of the crap hiphop and rap is all autotuned anyone can sing)

youtube people

that is all.

Learjet45 · Postby **Learjet45** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:14

dommo_g wrote:I understand you're just a kid and don't really know anything, but seriously? You think just because a woman is a woman, she has the right to commit murder? How about I believe in killing 17 year old kids, should that be my choice and my right?

This all goes back to the definition of life. I'm not going to post all my beliefs here as it would quickly turn into a huge long essay-like post, but if you want my views, then PM me.

What grinds my gears? Tests. I hate tests, especially Biology tests.

christi · Postby **christi** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:14

Learjet45 wrote:I find it ridiculous that a bunch of grown men and women can't work out issues over Planned Parenthood. I still think that the entire abortion issue should just be dropped. If a woman doesn't want a kid, then it should be her decision to abort it or not. As soon as men can get pregnant and deal with carrying a child inside them for 9 months, then it will be appropriate for them to have a say in abortions. Otherwise, if a woman believes in abortions, then she should be able to get one, and if not, then she doesn't have to. I know that's my opinion, and I'm not trying to sound rude or force it upon others, but how hard is it for a bunch of grown men and women to realize that?

I'm sorry, but this is even more stupid in my opinion than anything.
If women did not want to have a kid, use ****ing protection.
People who moan and bitch stating they had a unplanned pregnancy bother me like no other. It's easy ... VERY SIMPLE... to not have a child. Condoms, birth control, shots, etc.

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