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Dange · Postby **Dange** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:14

im not at all a fan of the coxster (cayman) like clarkson said all it is is a slightly uppowered boxter with a carrera roof. it is a good car but might as well just buy the boxster and mod it for less money...

it is awesome, shallow but awesome, when you are driving a nice car
i dont neccesarily care when people call my car a fag car or girls car. because i like my car and i know what its capable of.. but i do love it when somone that knows cars comes up to it and tells me they do love it. always makes you feel good

Learjet45 · Postby **Learjet45** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:14

I've never been a fan of (newer) Porsches. An 08 Cayman with 62k miles is still 30k+ (32k for one at Ferrari of Denver). And it's lb/hp is 12.06, so it's no significant improvement over a MSM or Elise.

Personally, I would never buy any Porsche from the past 10-15 years, except a Carerra GT. I cannot justify spending 32k on a car to make the same hp as a nice AWD Legacy GT, which can easily gain more power with a couple hundred dollars in mods and a Stage 1 or 2 flash.

D Walker · Postby **D Walker** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:14

Spoken like a 17yr old

There is a reason an LGT is just a car and a Porsche is a Porsche. There is also a reason there are entire race series devoted to Caymans, 911, and Boxsters but oddly Subarus... dont.

You guys are way too caught up in hp/weight. Do you understand gear reduction? Possibly not.

Having driven more aircooled Porsche (granted, mostly race cars) and driven the newer watercars, I can tell you that there is no better daily driver than a Porsche. Period. I also did not think I would like the Cayenne. Well, for the $$ spent you cant touch it. It is surprisingly capable and a great vehicle.

As to the Cayman, go drive one before you say you wouldnt buy one.

Colombia28 · Postby **Colombia28** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

Learjet45 wrote:I've never been a fan of (newer) Porsches. An 08 Cayman with 62k miles is still 30k+ (32k for one at Ferrari of Denver). And it's lb/hp is 12.06, so it's no significant improvement over a MSM or Elise.

Personally, I would never buy any Porsche from the past 10-15 years, except a Carerra GT. I cannot justify spending 32k on a car to make the same hp as a nice AWD Legacy GT, which can easily gain more power with a couple hundred dollars in mods and a Stage 1 or 2 flash.

I will fight you. :mellow:

Porsche > any Legacy. The Saab dealer in Boulder had an absolutly beautiful '87 Carrera that I gave some thought into selling the MS3 for. They wanted 32k for it. A little to rich for my blood at the moment. One day .

Learjet45 · Postby **Learjet45** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

I'm not saying that a Legacy is a better driver's car. I'm saying I don't really see anything super special about a Porsche to justify spending a lot of money one one (ie the 32k for a Cayman). If I'm gonna spend 30k or 40k or even 50k on a car, I don't want it to be something quite so common. I'm all for nice cars, but Porsche has just never done it for me.

D Walker · Postby **D Walker** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

MMMM sorry for the excursion of topic but-

What you said was

I cannot justify spending 32k on a car to make the same hp as a nice AWD Legacy GT, which can easily gain more power with a couple hundred dollars in mods and a Stage 1 or 2 flash.

Which indicates you think the Legacy GT is on the same level and with a small investment would somehow be "better" than a Porsche you buy for $32K. I can understand your mistake, as I now recall you yourself have not as yet paid for a car with your own money and likely have no idea what it means to have to.
For most of the US, no one cares what car they drive as long as the payment fits thier budget and it gets them where they want to go. This is why Subaru, Toyota, and Honda can sell as many shitboxes as they do.
For the rest of us, if it is not a utility vehicle, such as a truck etc. that must serve a function, we require more
Not everyone is going to love Porsche, not everyone is going to dig Corvettes, its a matter of personal choice. However, no one shopping for a Lotus is going to even glance at an LGT or WRX, they simply are not even in the same league. One day, after you have thrown away large chunks of your paycheck on a car you no longer enjoy, or have spent a ton on "mods" only to realize that a shitbox is a shitbox and all your money spent is gone, you will understand this.

Operator · Postby **Operator** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

Learjet45 wrote:I've never been a fan of (newer) Porsches.

Personally, I would never buy any Porsche from the past 10-15 years, except a Carerra GT. I cannot justify spending 32k on a car to make the same hp as a nice AWD Legacy GT, which can easily gain more power with a couple hundred dollars in mods and a Stage 1 or 2 flash.

Then why would you buy a Legacy, when you can get a Civic, and mod it for less, and have a faster car?!? HP is not everything. As for the newer Porsche's, well people have different opinions, but I'll take a 996 or 997 anyday, if I could afford it. Could I get a GTO or G8 with similiar HP, yes, but that's just one factor in purchasing a car. Handling, comfort, styling, braking, g holding, etc......... are all areas I feel a Porsche excels in.

Learjet45 wrote:I'm not saying that a Legacy is a better driver's car. I'm saying I don't really see anything super special about a Porsche to justify spending a lot of money one one (ie the 32k for a Cayman). If I'm gonna spend 30k or 40k or even 50k on a car, I don't want it to be something quite so common. I'm all for nice cars, but Porsche has just never done it for me.

Since when are Porsche's common?!? I pass or see maybe one a day maybe. I understand preference, as Merc's really are not my cup of tea, even the AMG's. But I wouldn't try to compare one to a Legacy and sa thay are on par with one another. While I think the legacy is a nice car, and actually looking into gettting one at one point, the only way I'd pick one over a Porsche is due to practicality i.e at the present time, I need a 4 door car with room in the back and a decent trunk. Put once my kids are older, and it's just me ant the wife. PORSCHE 999turbo here I come

Postby **RX-7 Chris** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

My parents had a '01 Boxster (not S). I didn't really like it. They traded it in for an '04 Boxster S 550 Spyder 50th Anniversary Edition. That was a great car but rare.

"The output of the Boxster S’s 3.2-liter flat-six engine goes up by 6 bhp to 266 bhp (196 kW) at 6,200 rpm. The special edition has a top speed of 165 mph and sprints from zero to 62 mph in a mere 5.7 seconds. Its maximum torque of 229 lb-ft is available at 4,600 rpm"
http://www.356-911.com/post1974/2004porschemodels/boxster550.htm

My Dad also had a '70 911 Targa. It was a great car, he used it as his race car. It isn't going to fit your needs though.

I'm partial to the 930 Turbo cars. A 996 will probably fit your needs better though.

erod550 · Postby **erod550** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

Why even spend the money on a Civic. Get a Pinto and mod the crap out of it. You can surely make as much power as a 911 Turbo for less than 1/2 the price. But in the end, you're still driving a Pinto, or a Legacy.

I used to have the same attitude when I was driving an SRT4 that if I could be faster than another car, why spend the money on that other car? I beat a couple C5 Vettes and thought I was cool. But you know what, after our little straight line race, that guy drove a Vette home and I drove a Neon home. And if we were in the mountains with curves in the mix, it wouldn't have even been close. There's more to cars than being fast in a straight line, and I don't think there's anything you can do with any amount of money to get a LGT to handle like a Porsche, no matter how fast you make it.

I know I suggested earlier in the thread that Dange spend money on the Miata to make it faster and handle better than the Lotus, but I was not suggesting that the Lotus was a car unworthy of the money it costs. Plus a Miata is already a good handling platform. It's not like trying to turn a plain jane car with a turbo (like a LGT) into a Porsche beater.

As soon as I can afford a 911 Turbo, I will own one. I don't care if they are impractical, I don't care if they are expensive, I don't care if I can get something "faster" for cheaper. It's my dream car and I've wanted one since I was a little kid. Call me a fanboy but I think a 911 is a car worthy of fanboyism, unlike a Subaru. This commercial describes me perfectly.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sWPHKU1XZU"]Porsche 911 commercial - YouTube[/ame]

D Walker · Postby **D Walker** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

And its funny how actually driving a car will change your mind about things. When we got the Cayenne I really did not think I would like it too much, but after driving it a bit, I want a Cayenne Turbo or GTS so bad I can taste it. AWD 550whp SUV? Yeah, that just sounds like me.

Also, in my shop there sits a 993 bodied Porsche race car. No matter how many Supras, FD's, etc I have in the shop every single person who walks in goes to the car and stares at it, then asks about it. There is a reason for the phrase-
Porsche, there is no substitute...

Colombia28 · Postby **Colombia28** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

Operator wrote:Since when are Porsche's common?!? I pass or see maybe one a day maybe.

Porsche's are far from "common." I count myself lucky if and when I ever see one. I would be happy to see a 911 on a daily basis, it doesn't happen.

erod550 wrote:As soon as I can afford a 997 GT3/RS, I will own one. I don't care if they are impractical, I don't care if they are expensive, I don't care if I can get something "faster" for cheaper. It's my dream car and I've wanted one since I was a little kid. Call me a fanboy but I think a 911 is a car worthy of fanboyism, unlike a Subaru. This commercial describes me perfectly.

Porsche 911 commercial - YouTube

All I needed to change was the particular model. Well said sir!

Dange · Postby **Dange** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

boxters are somewhat common. i do see those on a daily basis. but name the last time you saw a 911 turbo and didnt almost break your neck trying to look at it? personally i only said i like the older porsches because some reason they are just more appealing to me. the looks. the sound of the aircooled engine. the simplicity yet performance.

for the money to car ratio.. i can buy a acura integra shell for 1k. 1k in the engine. and a turbokit and coilovers and easily be at over 250 to the wheels. and handle way better than that LGT would for just the price of LGT boltons. but you are driving an old honda..
porsche is worth its money. they handle and go bone stock. plus like erod said you are driving home in a purpose built sports car. not a economical comfy car that is marketed to families in the snow. not saying the LGT isnt a good car... but its just WAY too A-B'ish for me. and i have a thing against 4 doors.

yeah i put alot of thought into power to weight but i do understand gearing. hell i have 4.10s in my car. which is alot of the reason i beat cars i probably shouldnt. but i also hit redline in 6th at 130...any more gearing and yes ill be a bit faster. but ill be bouncing off the revlimiter all the time, limit myself on a straight if i ever get somewhere with a moderate to long straight, and may actually slow me down some because of all the shifting needed. and freeway sucks cruising around 4500-5k+ on the freeway for 12 hours.. which pisses me off and makes me want to go with 3.63's sure im slower but it would be a nice tradeoff.
but i have always had the colin chapman mindset. less weight>more power. that is the big reason the miata stood out when it was a decision between auditt/s2k/miata both cars are worth more, and have at least 50more hp. (well besides the audi sounds like a sick tractor when modded, and the s2k you have to drive like a hoon just to get anywhere) there is a reason my dream car has ONLY between 150-200hp... but it also weighs close to 1300lbs. the caterham 7

"Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere. "

D Walker · Postby **D Walker** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

See? I knew you were a reasonable man

jamiel · Postby **jamiel** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

The 2nd Gen Boxster S and the C5 Z06 are my two favorite "bang for the buck" vehicles.

Have you driven an Elise? Like the Boxster, I love them for their handling, but ergonomically, not the best DD. What are your goals?

Or you could find Boxster with a failed intermediate shaft and put a 911 motor in it.

Learjet45 · Postby **Learjet45** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14

Mr. D Walker, I suggest you take a chill pill. You're taking this way too seriously. It's my opinion. I don't really like Porsche's all that much. Nothing you say will change my opinion, so there's no need to get quite so worked up about it. Mmk?

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