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Postby Huzer » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

mOOsE wrote:FYI, the system is electronic and simply checks compiled databases. If we paid to cover the cost, it would be negligible as the system wasn't built FOR the expressed purpose of background checks on gun sales. The 10-12 fee is revenue generation for the state. While their are employees for the background check system, even if there was no check required, they would be employed for the other purposes of the system for law enforcement needs, security clearance checks, etc. I am not opposed to the fee, as I believe its very low and reasonable... but it is poor timing as it doesn't have anything to do with safety or gun rights. I am also concerned that, since there will now be a fee, will it get raised in the future as part of budgeting for the state. Not to mention the logistical frustration it will create for retailers, private sellers, etc. FFL transfers already charge fees for the most part, so will it be included (not likely).


I'll admit, I have no idea what the state is aiming to "charge" for background checks. I simply know that if I want to run a check on LexisNexis, for example, it's $10, or some such similar cost.

To be clear, my thought on background checks was that the consumer was being asked to fund a similar LexisNexis check that would cost that $10 or so bucks, not that there was an additional cost the state was tacking on as well.
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Postby I`m Batman » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

Huzer wrote:How is that in any way comparable? Enlighten me.


Why should anyone have to pay for their RIGHT?
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Postby Huzer » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

I`m Batman wrote:Why should anyone have to pay for their RIGHT?


So you're against background checks for gun ownership? Or better yet, you're pro-everyone (including convicted violent felons) gun ownership, thus negating the need for background checks.
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Postby I`m Batman » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

Huzer wrote:So you're against background checks for gun ownership?


Like I said, I'm all for background checks. Check all you want, the more the better. It's not the money, I just don't want to have to pay for my right. Now if they were to word it like a "firearm tax" or something, I might be OK with that.

This whole thing came up because there was a backlog/high traffic... Well, I just did a background check yesterday and it passed before I can finish filling out the paper work (less than 5 mins). There is no more backlog.
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Postby Huzer » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

I simply don't agree that background checks for the purchase of firearms should be a government funded service. That should be the cost of doing business for a gun shop, however they choose to pass it on. Either way, you're paying for your background check, whether it's through taxes or through fees at a gun shop.

A bar has a bouncer at the door checking my ID, doing a background check to verify I can enter a bar (age verification). The bar is paying the bouncer. I pay more for my beer because there's an extra employee, but it's their cost of doing business if they don't want the state to shut them down for serving to minors.
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Postby I`m Batman » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

Huzer wrote:... (including convicted violent felons) gun ownership, thus negating the need for background checks.


FYI - They're already doing that. They're already getting their guns without background checks... AKA "black market".

Some guy actually told me in person that he would not pass a background check because he has a record and that he bought his gun from a "black market" and it wasn't that hard.
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Postby Huzer » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

I`m Batman wrote:FYI - They're already doing that. They're already getting their guns without background checks... AKA "black market".


FYI - I know.
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Postby I`m Batman » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

Huzer wrote:FYI - I know.


So this new background check law would not change anything then if felons are already getting their guns without a background check anyway.
Again, I am ALL for background checks.
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Postby Huzer » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

If background checks are 100% inefficient, get rid of them. If all criminals buy guns illegally and all law abiding citizens purchase them legally, what's the point?
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Postby I`m Batman » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

I'm saying, why change it if it will not do anything/improve anyway? It will cost a lot of tax money and there's no way that it can be enforced (private sales).
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Postby erod550 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

Being able to go fishing or hunting is your right too but do you think you shouldn't have to pay for a fishing/hunting license? Being able to operate a motor vehicle is a right but you still have to buy license plates and pay a fee to get a driver's license. There are fees involved with utilizing your rights sometimes. I don't see how the background check to purchase a firearm should be any different.
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Postby Brigdh » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14

erod550 wrote:Being able to go fishing or hunting is your right too but do you think you shouldn't have to pay for a fishing/hunting license? Being able to operate a motor vehicle is a right but you still have to buy license plates and pay a fee to get a driver's license. There are fees involved with utilizing your rights sometimes. I don't see how the background check to purchase a firearm should be any different.


Hunting, fishing, and driving all require licenses when done on public land. How would you say a background check is the same?

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Postby mOOsE » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:14

erod550 wrote:Being able to go fishing or hunting is your right too but do you think you shouldn't have to pay for a fishing/hunting license? Being able to operate a motor vehicle is a right but you still have to buy license plates and pay a fee to get a driver's license. There are fees involved with utilizing your rights sometimes. I don't see how the background check to purchase a firearm should be any different.

Hunting and fishing requires a license because it is federal/state land and to limit the amounts that are removed. Driving is not a right, at all actually.

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Postby I`m Batman » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:14

Driving is a privilege not a right. The money goes into building roads that the car will be driving on.
Hunting and fishing is done to regulate the animal population. They actually have to go out and put fish in the reservoir for you to fish in some cases. And the money goes back into taking care of the forest and wildlife.

The right to bare arms to protect yourself have nothing to do with anyone but yourself. If they pay for my range time too, that would be cool.
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