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Postby arctic_blue83 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (firestoned @ Mar 13 2008, 06:57 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=32036]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
I know ...that shits crazy, its definitely on my near future purchase list...[/b]


Don't get your hopes up too much though... his AFR's will tell the tale. When I first strapped my Speed6 to a dyno, when I had a DTEC FCBC, I put down more power to begin with than I did with my final tune, with just the ability to hold more boost in the upper RPMs. My AFR's were too lean around the 3500rpm mark, where I was out of fuel (would have been nice if they had an upgraded pump at the time lol)... I ended up having to turn the boost down a bit to get my AFR's safe at that RPM, as I was seeing a couple counts of knock half the time at that RPM under WOT.

There might be more power to be found with a custom tune, but the custom tune will mostly just be better for making sure the car is running a safe, smooth, drivable time. Although just leaning out AFR's in the upper RPMs will make a TON of power, but that's after peak power would have already tapered off, due to the turbo not holding full boost up top.

We'll see though.... that's why I want to see his AFR graphs, as then we'll be able to get a better idea of how much power is still on the table. Still, HUGE gains! Very nice to see another Speed6 making big power! Although, Rich's car was always a little low on power for a Speed6 IIRC, which I always assumed was because his ECU had a very conservative tune, so it's not really a surprise to me to see his car have HUGE gains with a more aggressive tune. My Speed6 didn't see gains that were that large with tuning, but then again, my Speed6 was also a non-flashed "factory freak", that put down around an extra 30whp (on MAC's dyno) over other stock Speed6's, or Speed6's with same mods (CAI & BPV/BOV). My Speed6 was making 257whp with just a CAI & BPV on MAC's dyno, whereas most other Speed6's on the dyno that were stock or CAI/BOV only put down 220-230whp. So no surprise, my car just had an aggressive tune from the factory (I never let Mazda reflash it lol), so I only made about an extra 24whp or so with a tune, since my car was already pushing more boost stock with leaner/cleaner AFR's than most Speed6's, so really, my car just didn't have as much room for gains.

Rich's car had a TON of room for gains, which is obvious lol. I would still like to see his AFR's though...

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Postby bobopud » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

That's awesome that you made so much power with just the base map. Based on your experiences I may put his ack on my list of things to get. I was going to wait and see what protege garage cooks up for EMS, but the ETA on that thing is about a year. So I am going to get the turbo manifold instead, get it coated and see what that does for me. Hard to beat a lifetime warranty on a mod like that. Especially one that would be prone to cracking.

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Postby Rich » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

As I posted in the other thread, AFRs were a bit lean on the first one, around 12.2, but went richer with each pull after. I don't have those graphs, but maybe Matt or Jeremy can get them. Boost target was set to 15.1 lbs, which was held pretty good except for a few spikes to 16.

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Postby arctic_blue83 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

Actually, after looking at his before/after dyno, it's easy to see where his gains were made:
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I guarantee at peak he's pushing an extra 2-4psi of boost, but his largest gains are just because his car is no longer tapering boost up top. Look at his stock graph, where boost drops off around 4700rpm, yet his Standback graph, you can see the BCS holding peak boost up to about 5600rpm, where it's the turbo that runs out of steam, instead of stock where the BCS allowed the wastegate to open & bleed off boost.

My car (former Speed6) stock didn't taper boost like most Speed6's, if you take a look at a graph on MAC's dyno, with my Speed6 with only a CAI & BPV vs a stock Speed6 on the same day, you can see how much more aggressive my car's stock non-flashed (by choice) ECU tune was. Notice how boost didn't drop off, on my car... just like Rich's car is AFTER the Standback map, hense why his gains were so large... just due to the lack of boost tapering off at higher RPMs. The biggest reason why his gains with a tune were so much larger than they were on my already aggressive factory tune:
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Interesting stuff.

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Postby arctic_blue83 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rich @ Mar 13 2008, 07:45 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=32048]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
As I posted in the other thread, AFRs were a bit lean on the first one, around 12.2, but went richer with each pull after. I don't have those graphs, but maybe Matt or Jeremy can get them. Boost target was set to 15.1 lbs, which was held pretty good except for a few spikes to 16.[/b]


EDIT: Rich posted at the same time I was posting lol.

That's exactly what I thought! Stock Speed6's at this altitude push about 12-13psi, so you did have a 2-4psi gain, just like I thought. Also figured it might be a little lean, so probably not much more power to be made without more fuel, still, nice gains! By No-Coast's calculation, you would make about 272whp on MAC's over-inflated dyno, so almost as much power as my old car, very nice :)

When it ran lean, did you see a "lean spike/dip" around 3500 rpm?

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Postby Rich » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

There was an early spike, but I can't honestly say what RPM it was. Hopefully Matt from RP can email me that stuff. I'll be data logging the Standback for a few weeks as well.

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Postby arctic_blue83 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rich @ Mar 13 2008, 07:56 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=32062]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
There was an early spike, but I can't honestly say what RPM it was. Hopefully Matt from RP can email me that stuff. I'll be data logging the Standback for a few weeks as well.[/b]


I would almost bet money, it was around 3500rpm ;) Right around peak torque. I'm very familiar with "the spike" lol.

EDIT: I just noticed peak torque on your car is around 4000rpm... which makes sense, as I just realized you still have all your factory cats in place lol. Get rid of your cats, and peak torque will be around 3500rpm lol.

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Postby Rich » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

Well if Ron is home today I will probably get his test pipe. I'm not touching the downpipe.

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Postby arctic_blue83 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rich @ Mar 13 2008, 08:04 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=32078]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
Well if Ron is home today I will probably get his test pipe. I'm not touching the downpipe.[/b]


Bah... don't give me that crap, I see your "Maybe someday list" in your sig... you know you want a downpipe lol. Faster spool, lower EGT's, noticeable power gains... you know you want one lol.

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Postby firestoned » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

pff...you can have my testpipe today

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Postby Rich » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14

Well now, easy guys. Test pipe for now to allow for easy dealer trips. Ron and I have an agreement, but it's really up to him. I don't care which one I buy.

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Postby bobopud » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:14

I won't be touching the downpipe either, at least not until the warranty is gone, and if I decide that I really want to mess with stuff on this car.

I think I may have already made up my mind though. I just ordered the Protege Garage turbo manifold. As soon as it gets here I'll get it coated and see what the gains are. They claim 20hp on a stock car, so it should be interesting. At least it has a lifetime warranty.
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Postby MazdaTom » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:14

Does coating it void the lifetime warranty?

Who are you going to use to coat it?
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Postby bobopud » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:14

Coating will not void the waaranty per Ken at Protege Garage. Just a little added insurance.
2006 SPEED6 Liquid Platinum Sport w/ Nav
Mods Completed - VG Sharkfin, 3M Clear Bra, SU Motor Mount, SU Test Pipe, 35% tint, VEI Digital Boost Gauge, Custom Defrost Vent Pod, PG Exhaust Manifold, CPE Turbo Inlet Pipe, CPE FMIC, Hacked Mazdaspeed CAI into SRI, Synapse BOV, Cobb Accessport EMS Tuner, CPE Dual 3" Catback Exhaust
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Postby Rich » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:14

ETS IC and that PG turbo manifold are probably next for me.


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